Chronically Seeking a Doctor Who Gets It

Chronically Seeking a Doctor Who Gets It

By Liza Zoellick.

I began the day writing about one thing and after a doctor appointment, decided to take a different route and write about something else. Something that I think many of my Spoonie friends out there understand. I am sitting here feeling frustrated and angry and like I am not being taken seriously. I feel like I have little in the way of choices and I wonder how many of you feel the same way I do. I am talking about our doctors.

Don’t get me wrong, I am not on a doctor witch hunt. I have and have had, excellent doctors. In fact, if it wasn’t for a few doctors I have had, I might not be here writing about this. So, this is not a hate filled rant against doctors; this is, instead, something inspired by frustration and feeling very much like I am caught between a rock and a hard place.

This doctor that I speak of has not been terrible, either. In fact, for the most part, he has been very good and very helpful. However, I feel that we haven’t been on the same page for a long time and in recent months, I’ve felt our paths diverging even more and also feeling as though they, too, are feeling the frustration of a patient with no clear “fix.”

There is also a sense that they are focusing on me in parts and not as a whole and the problem with this view, in my opinion, is that these parts cannot be fixed because they are part and parcel to a much broader issue- Chronic illness, which, the majority of doctors do not know enough about. Instead, they look at parts. I can’t tell you how many surgeries I have had that were needless, because no one was seeing the broader issue.

Liza Zoellick

While I do have a doctor treating me for the broader issue, I still have other doctors who are integral to my treatment who don’t always have the same opinion.

This is my question and why I am writing this: if you don’t agree, how do you go about getting a second opinion, or looking for another doctor completely? For me, the first place I look is always my insurance. Are they on my insurance? Then, I typically look at where the doctor is located, because I am relying (most days) on my two eldest to drive me. It can be complicated with kids who are working and going to school to find an appointment, but I manage. The next thing I will look at is if there is any kind of feedback on Yelp or other doctor rating sites, because they help in deciding whether or not this might be the right doc for me. I understand that not all the reviews are honest or fair, but I try to come to my own conclusion. After considering all these things, I am not left with many choices. Using this as an example, only three. Two of which I have already seen and have proven to be as horrible as their reviews, and then my doctor.

So, what is a patient left to do? Grin and bear it? That seems to be the motto among chronic patients everywhere because I think besides being limited in who we can see, there is also an overwhelming feeling of exhaustion because we have had to see so many doctors. We’ve had to weed out the good from the bad, sometimes after extensive testing, only to have to start from the beginning again. It’s tiring and emotionally exhausting.

What to do about it? I was sitting here brainstorming what I could do and then something funny struck me. Want ads. They should have want-ads or maybe a website catering to the chronically ill who are seeking physicians. I can write a great one. It would go something like this: I am a 44-year-old, chronic pain and chronic illness patient. I am looking for a kind, empathetic physician who understands my plight and who can think outside the box. Moreover, I am looking for someone who isn’t afraid that I know more about my illnesses than they do, who will integrate a holistic approach, meaning looking at me as a whole person and not just parts that might be damaged. An added bonus would be someone who isn’t offended that I want to be a part of my care and not just simply follow directions based on their advice because I understand my body and how I am feeling better than anyone.

I think that is a brilliant ad, if I do say so myself, but I am not sure there would be any takers. Still, if anyone is considering an app that pairs up doctors to their patients and vice-versa, I’m all in. Until then, I remain, chronically seeking.

Liza is a chronic pain warrior from Houston who has been chronicling her journey through chronic pain and illness on her blog: She is a frequent and valued contributor to the National Pain Report.

Authored by: Liza Zoellick

Liza is a chronic pain warrior from Houston who has been chronicling her journey through chronic pain and illness on her blog: She is a frequent and valued contributor to the National Pain Report.

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julie Calvert

Actually, maybe you live somewhere different than Iowa. I have coined a new phrase, the orphaned patient. My Neurologist, who i loved for 18 years, developed cancer last year, and retired to try to stay alive. I had chosen my internist 12 yrs ago for the silly reason that he had the emergency malaria shot I needed for a trip to the Manila. I rarely saw him but my husband loved him and he did well by his diabetes. Fast forward, he does not believe in pain at all, the PM clinic I was referred to prescribed what my previous Dr. had and did referals for PT when i threw a fit for about 6 mths until Jan. Then they no longer prescribed opioids at all, and everything changed. They would only offer trigger point injec. which I took, the internist said ALL his patients had no pain when off narcs for 6 months (he actually used that term) so OK. I did a two month taper on my own and waited out the 6. At 9 months, after mindfullness and CBT that I found myself I circled back around and told them both I was suicidal from the pain. PM doc left the room, internist asked if I had an actual plan, and my husband who was with me said of course she does. He said better her than me, I am not losing my license prescribing opioids these days. Thought, I will just get a new Dr. I called 52 Internists and sent letters to 267 family Dr;s. Every internist either said, I don’t see pain patients, we are not a good fit, or I am no longer talking new patients. The family Dr;s have varied excuses. I literally can’t get a new dr. I am an orphan patient with out even asking for pain medication, just because for 18 years I was on them.

Jennie Melville

Actually, naysayers, they DO exist! It literally has taken me a lifetime to find and develop a fantastic relationship with them, that’s correct, I just said ‘them’ because there’s more than one. I know, that’s unheard of but you just ‘heard’ and they communicate regularly with each other regarding my care…it takes a village, right? I’m your age, female and suffer from both chronic pain and chronic diseases. Things aren’t perfect but we’ve all been working together to try and ‘fix’ me. We’ve been at it for over 20 years and they are all still hanging in there with me, researching and trying to find current and innovative treatments. The issue is that I’m in CA. To me it would be well worth the trip each month and all of the Dr’s have patients who actually fly and drive in to see them - they make special scheduling accomodations regarding date and time and schedule longer appointments. I’ll name one for you if you’d like.

Amanda Autry Stafford

Billy, God bless you. You are the lucky one.

Alice E.

OMGoodness! I SWEAR you took the words right out of my mouth as I was reading this to my 78 year old mother as she watches me battle ever single second of the day to find a doctor to not, I repeat NOT, try to talk me into pain medications! For most people they are great but for me, I am a weirdo, I get so COMPLETELY hyperactive from them! I am 39 and have been on WELL over 300 different types of medications over those 39 years on this earth! Half of those 300 medications half been pain medications of all sorts (like muscle relaxers, narcotics and etc..). I just want a doctor to HELP me figure out something OTHER than pills of ANY SORTS to help my 15 conditions and illnesses (half are physical issues and a few mental issues). I sometimes feel that I will never ever find a doctor like that! 😞

Kathleen Sells

I read your thoughts on want ads for a knowledgeable and compassionate doctor. I think it’s a great idea but I have little hope that they exist.This is a inhumane attack targeted on the weak sick disabled people. I hate the word genocide but it sure seems like it.


Hi Lisa,
I don’t know the answers to you pairing with the right Doctor, but I do know that your desire for a more synergistic approach with the physician who will agree to your feelings regarding a treatment plan tailored for the ONLY person who knows your body (You)- could not be expressed in a better fashion and choice of words than what you have just posted for all of us to see and thoughtfully consider for ourselves. And again, I do know, that you have excellent writing abilities and from my own lifetime of experiences, you will succeed. I have logged in enough years on Terra Firma to acquire enough wisdom to see such resilient tenacity to be the driving force for so many of us human beings living with daily Chronic Pain and other such related diseases. Never give up, keep asking friends and professionals, keep googling, keep calling and knocking on doors and i know you will find those answers. Kudos, high fives and i salute you for expressing not only your plight, but ours, with such unique insight.


Thanks Liza…so true. It is beyond exhausting trying to find a great Dr. who not only takes your insurance, who is also within a reasonable distance … and who accepts that while they know “bodies” better than we do, we know OUR bodies & symptoms better than they do. Every Dr. is so specialized today that no one seems to be able to see or grasp the big picture. They need to spend a lot more time in med school teaching future Drs. about chronic pain.


I have a pain managment Dr who is just ok he is polite as long as I’m ok with what he chooses too do for me but the minute I try too talk about something he does too me that I don’t react well too he thretens too wean me off all my medications I don’t know how much more mental abuse I can take my health issues are not some kind of head game for the government agencies legislators or Drs too threaten me over I am not seeking regular care as much as I should because of what my regular practitioner says too me I don’t trust any of these two entity’s and what they have said and done I’m sure there are many pain and disabled patients that can relate too what I feel I am seriously thinking about relinquishing my US citizen ship and leaving what used too be a free country if I care too survive I agree with the fact that even the good Drs are not allowed too help us as much as we need I hope sometime that the people who have deemed us second class citizens will feel the plight that they have caused the most variable so they may form a better understanding of what it is too be us I know they think they are saving us from us but their ignorance is killing many I just want peace and respect back in my life and there is no were in the US too obtain that never thought that as a born US citizen I would be persecuted for being disabled or pain managed I pray for all pain managed too survive and that at some point the environment will change back too were we all have a right too make educated decisions about our care without persecution Good Luck too all my fellow pain managed people It is wrong that we are even having too deal with what is happening too us but many thanks too the people of the National Pain Report for all you do too help this platform is wonderful


There’s a lady that suggests we grow our own poppies and learn how to harvest our our pain remedies. I don’t know if this is possible but it’s better than street Fentanyl. I’m so sorry all of us have been driven to this level of suffering.


Did anyone here watch Dr. House? My husband would hold my hand as I cried and said I needed Dr. House. Of course he was a fictional doctor, one that could look at the big picture and know how to treat you. He was brave and smart. So brave he would go against medical establishment to treat his own pain and take care of his patients.
Oh if there were a brave doctor out there. I used to have brave doctors, but they all conform, like sheep.
It’s sad. I’m glad I’m 62.

Nancy Apa

Dr Michael Uphues, could you please clarify steps or hints on just HOW chronic pain patients can find doctors such as yourself?? Google search terms?? Knock door to door?? Thanks for letting us know of your existence, now if I only knew how to find someone such as yourself…..


Both my primary care physician and my pain management spine specialist both have my documentation of pain management treatment and success with the last effective pain management therapy left for me and my personal health care need. My PCP for over 35 years and my pain management specialist for 8 years….get me. They KNOW me and what drives me. They both know that I am self driven to be a self sufficient person for my own sake as well as my families sake. They get it only, both are forbidden by “policy” and “guidelines” formulated to protect me from……my own doctors. Asinine thinking! My spine specialist has FULLY realized that nothing BUT opiate medication helps me so that I can remain as active as I can be without harming myself further. With the aid of an adequate amount of opiate medication and that by remaining active it takes LESS medication than it does by remaining inactive. Both of these two doctors get what I have attempted to do for over 23 years. With current treatment :”guidelines” and federal agency “policies”, there is no use in seeking different doctors because they too will be hindered by government agency policy as ALL patients with lifetime, severe, continuous pain management need because there is no “cure” for my condition and pain “management” in an adequate or sufficient form is the LAST thing to do with patients numbering in the millions…..just like me.At this time there is no need for me to find doctor care that gets me and my pain management needs because they are ALL limited in treatment therapy when opiate medication is the last, once approved treatment for many pain generating health issues and diseases. It is very easy to lose “heart” especially for those of us treated for lifetime, continuous pain generation when we have already been through the gambit of pain management only to realize that sufficient pain management can ONLY be realized with opiate medication for now. A scientific breakthrough to make the “experts” happy may be months away, however it could be impossible to effectively find pain management without opiate medication used and prescribed responsibly which is exactly where I believe we are at in America. I can NOT provide any more evidence that opiate medication works for me in a sufficient dosage than to provide my documentation of use for the last……..23 years. My doctors get it, only we the patients do not.

Kurt WG Matthies

I’ve long thought that pain patients need a catalogue of pain docs in each state, listing their qualifications, attitudes, the types of pain they treat, and their modalities of treatment.

How could such a catalogue be compiled with an objective perspective? Pain is such an emotional issue, and doctors and patients do not always agree on modality or outcome.

How do we keep this catalogue out of the hands of those who seek to abuse opioids and other meds? Many legitimate pain patients do not understand that simply adding more pills is the best solution to their medical problem, and the hard core abusers of controlled substances will treat this catalogue like a key to the candy store, which would harm the good pain doctors out there.

In my long journey with pain and pain medicine, (now approaching 40 years), I’ve found that many pain practitioners truly “get it.”

At the moment, they are being squeezed into a corner of treatment and dosage limitations. How can we fight to return to them the latitude in treatment options they have a professional right to exercise without interference from inappropriate, arbitrary norms? And how do we act to return the doctor-patient privilege of privacy in treatment that was once the rule in this former “land of the free.”?


I believe the answer will ly in the changing face and definition of palliative care vs hospice/end of life
There is not not a fix for the chronic illness nor the chronic pain and so it becomes palliative care
Meaning treat the pain, fear, anxiety , depression , whatever symptom needed and unfortunately pain has become controversial but if looked at as palliative care it should not be controversial. None of us who need palliative treatment which defined may include trying curative treatment When I started my nursing career it was used equally with hospice but not anymore ( meaning dying in about 6 months or less, end of lifebcare) Now a newly diagnosed cancer patient in comprehensive cancer centers see the palliative care team from beginning whilebalso seeking treatment)
My mom when she went into hospice for dying from emphysema was told she should have been on morphine for air hunger way before then and she was so much more comfortable she almost was discharged not from hospice but the small inpatient hospice house the doctor said quite common
So we need doctors to understand they can not always cure these illnesses some forms of cancer if caught earlier have better chance to be cured due
To progress in treatments.
Problem is criminal type opiates and criminal use and od that knee jerk laws want us palliative patients to live in pain instead put resources to law enforcement and criminals and let doctors treat our pain , part of our illness with humanity

Then there’s the problem that if someone with complex chronic conditions encounters a doctor who is useless or downright hostile & goes to another in hopes of finding help, the patient is accused of “doctor shopping” and is even further out of luck in finding a decent doctor. Not to mention that this accusation can make it impossible to find help for even completely benign conditions, such as hypothyroidism.

So we often get stuck with having to choose between a useless docs or none (or worse than none). We’re screwed no matter what we do.


Lisa, do you know you can google search for a holistic doctor in your area? The first time I ran into the term ‘holistic physician’ I was stumped. My friend said ‘this is a doctor who treats the whole body as a whole body. NOT as a collection of problems.’ I was confused and thought how else could a doctor treat you? But she said ‘if you have ulcers, the holistic doctor will try to find the root cause of your ulcers whereas the regular doctor just wants to give you a prescription and have you leave the office. A holistic physician sees the whole body.’ Do a google. I was very surprised.

These are real doctors with real medical degrees, who go a bit further in treating their patients.

Kirby Accardo

Dear Liza:

I know exactly how you feel as I feel the same way.

I have been in this pain management world for 22 years. I had found a great doctor who was a Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation doctor. He was wonderful. He understood me and listened. We were working together for years and then the DEA stepped in and railroaded him and he lost his license to practice. I hear he will probably get it back but will he want to start over after spending untold amount of money and stress fighting his case. I wouldn’t. I had to find another doctor right away to help me I must have contacted 25+ doctors in 60 miles. I finally found one who I thought understood me. I went to him and explained I had done every Interventional Pain procedure known to medicine some many times and a few almost killed me. I still have two stimulators that don’t work (one a Spinal and the other in my right leg a Peripheral). I just wanted a doctor to manage my pain medicinally as I just couldn’t face another procedure. He immediately took my breakthrough pain medicine down in half but I needed my extended release so I agreed. This past year has been hard as my Degenerative Disk Disease is getting worse and my CRPS Pain is ALWAYS there. A month ago he took away the remaining breakthrough pain medication but left me with my extended release. The news was delivered by the Nurse Pract. I cried as I knew where this was going and she asks me do you need addiction treatment. Are you kidding me?!?! You just ruined my world and I can’t cry without being labeled an addict. Then she recommends an Epidural Steroid Injection (ESI). I have been ther and done that and afraid to keep going there as I’m afraid I already have Arachnoiditis. I felt pressured to say ok but then called to get an appointment to talk with MY doctor. I was told he could only see me every six months I had to speak with the Nurse Pract. Is that even legal?!?!

I want no I need a doctor or to under Palliative Care. I have several life long Disease with no known cure that are extremely painful. I can’t find anything. Insurance can’t help. Medicare can’t help. All suggest primary care but she is only a 15 minute clinical doctor she can’t help me. I’m so desperate for a doctor I want to cry. I feel your pain dear Pain Warrior!


This is communism! Punishing everyone for something some did!! The government needs to get their nose out of what meds we take.

Kris Aaron

Advertising in the “want ads” for a physician is an excellent idea! But I’d imagine us pain patients would be in the same situation as employers looking for someone who can do the job they’re hoping to fill: Too many under-qualified applicants who fib on their resumes, and people who bring a host of personal “issues” along with the necessary skills.
After 70 years, I’ve given up on locating the perfect doctor. Just write the damn prescription, spare me your lectures about opioid addiction, and if you really are concerned about my health then recommend a website where I can research current thinking on my ailments.
Sadly, there are no miracles, no magical healers and far more ways to make our health worse than improve it. I’ve been extremely fortunate to find one… ONE! pain specialist who has been both honest and helpful. I suspect that’s because doctors as a group hate to admit that some of us are beyond anything medicine can do to make us “better”.
What we need most is a sympathetic ear, honest answers to our questions and pain relief. Opiates are dangerous, yes. But so is chemotherapy, and it’s the rare oncologist who is willing to stop ordering just one more round of chemo. All too often, I’ve left a doctor’s office thinking that person is more worried about my overdosing on their prescription than my health and ability to function.
Give me a doctor who trusts me to know what my body needs, who wants me to work with her or him and not simply follow instructions without question. Give me a doctor who appreciates patients who are willing to learn and ask intelligent questions rather than show the interest of a lab rat.
America’s for-profit system of health care has made doctors like that nearly impossible to find.


The choices are thin,I have been lucky to find a good compasiante Dr , after getting abandoned by a physician that over prescribed me for years, but instead of Just lowering doses he abruptly kicked all high med patients to the curb under the guise of retirement which he did not. ​ the doc I have now did taper me to doses that are so below of what i am used to the pain is relentless but I understand his delema with state medical board,CDC,DEA etc.he at least recognizes my pain and has not left me flat.I have horror stories from people at other clinic where as legitimate patients were told “I have a kid in college and not about to lose my license”after being lowered to negligible level which provided no relief. The madness of government meddling has to end,let good Drs do their job they are The ones who attended med school. I have so much more to say but back pain is sending back to bed on a holiday weekend.

L. Brockington

Michael Uphues… would you suggest we pay for services if you are not on our insurance plans? Many of us can not afford to pay out of pocket and are forced to only use physicians who take our insurance.


Liza what a great idea. 20+ years ago I we went to several tmjd specialist I went to physical therapy & a chiropractor, tried heat massage ,a tens unit to no avail. So was told only option surgery which I had,10 in all counting several arthroscopic & 2 major surgeries on each side that took a rib from each side to make lower jaw husband & I thought we asked all the questions prior,I guess we didn’t anyway my quality of life was gone but my mother fearing I couldn’t take the pain much longer found a doctor who worked w me to treat me, he saved my life unfortunately he left practice.i had doctors that continued w my treatment so I at least had some quality of life but never concern as to my health problems & then was forced to go to pain management so wrong all they do is take vitals & give scripts which at least I got my meds now I have been forced to wean from meds & I cannot continue to live my life in this pain again.Where are the doctors that care?

Andrea Carb

Lisa could not have said it better. I experience the same disconnect. To me, it’s about politics and money. In my State, medical marijuana is legal. Opiates for pain are bad; marijuana is good.
I have never had a satisfactory experience with a so-called a pain management physician. In the last appointment with a PM doctor, I felt like the object of the Spanish inquisition. You get the sense there is immediate distrust of you which causes you to have the same distrust of the doctor
At a certain point, I just said, I am leaving now. And I walked out.
I was accepted into the medical marijuana program in NJ where everyone is kind, and understanding from receptionists,the doctor who approves you, the educator and all the personnel who take your money (only in cash) for up to 2 oz. a month.
It is the mode, the fashion of our time in those States where medical marijuana is legal. Green is in and pills of many colors are out. Everyone is different and their reaction to substances are different. I appreciate that my State offers an alternative to narcotics, but it makes me lazy and dysfunctional. Maybe I have not mastered the art of its usage yet. As for opiates, the laws are draconian..Our country is down the rabbit hole. Politicians are not physicians; they rely on politically and financially motivated doctors in the CDC, HHS, FDA, doctors ,
who are politicians .
Who is paying who?
It’s time that anyone involved in making policy be required to be a chronic pain patient as a pre-requisite.

Denise Bault

It is a brilliant ad! I’ve had over 27 doctors in the last 10 years and I can count on three fingers the ones that I thought were worth a hoot. I believe a lot of them just “give up” when dealing with chronic pain patients. Their hands are tied too, by insurance companies, the DEA, the CDC and so on. Not what I thought medicine was all about!

Linda C. Rancourt

I am a chronic pain sufferer for over one year. The back and neck pain came on quickly. I have seen several doctors, had many injections from two different pain management specialists, and am still suffering with increasing intensity. It is ruining my life, my ability to do even the most simple of errands most of the time. I am of course extremely depressed due to all the pain accompanied by my change in lifestyle.

Kelly-Anne Bryan, RN

Liza, you echo my experiences and thoughts. I have an “entire body screwed up” condition. I have a disease that is dismissed, misdiagnosed, and mismanaged routinely (Lyme and friends). As a result there is chronic pain, which has now also become controversial and problematic. My illness has ruined me financially, so I don’t have many treatment options. I’ve become a medical orphan.
I’ve often wondered, since in essence a doctor is hired by a patient, why we can’t interview. Why must we make an appointment more or less blindly, (after using the same process you do) and see multiple providers trying to find a good fit? This then “looks bad” on our medical records, because we’re “doctor shopping”. We have to doctor shop, when we can’t get appropriate care. It’s not like we’re trying to be devious or “work the system”.
I love your app idea. Currently I use Lyme patient and doctor organizations for referrals, but often this is of limited value. An app would be a more direct approach, if providers would participate.

Michael Uphues

In reading your post, the first thing that is obvious and contributing to your frustration is the first place you are looking , your insurance. Forget insurance, forget the western approach, forget big pharma, forget pretty much everything about conventional medicine as we have all learned.
I am Dr. Michael Uphues, a Board Certified Family Medicine Physician, Osteopath, Certified, Clinical Hypnotherapist, Certified Personal Trainer, Cannabinologist, and Functional Medicine Specialist. I think way out of the box. We are out here. You just have to find us.

Mary C Odell

My sister is going through the exact same thing. She is dealing with CRPS(6yrs),ITP, and MGUS. You described everything that is happening to my sister but you never mentioned what your chronic illness was. Would it be too much for me to ask what it is? It might be easier to get opinions if people know what they are speaking on. Thank you and I hope you find a resolution to your situation.


Goid luck

Mary Gerende

I’m all in for that type of Ad. I hate starting over after finding a good doctor who can take of All of me. With the changes to pain medications I’ve had to start a new doctor search. I’m 52 female too. I want to be part of my care choices. I want to be heard! Not just a routine response. Also a doctor who is willing to learn about my disease and is accepting that I do know my body and probably more about my disease than they do. We need more help as patients!

Bless your heart Liza. If you lived in Tennessee, I know of a doctor in whom your speaking of. He has a heart and a soul, he’s just like you and me. He has to follow the rules as does everyone else but he actually treats his patients like human beings. I don’t know how many times he’s told me that he would never ask me to do something that he wouldn’t do himself. That he would never send me to see anyone that he wouldn’t see himself. When I first met the man back in 2009 he was literally an answer to so very many, many prayers. I had gone through cardiac arrest twice( now knowing it was due to shots from a pain clinic in my lower back.) The doctor I had previously, left the firm. The receptionist I spoke with told me this man and one other would fit the bill so to speak of who I was looking for. I remember telling her I need someone with a heart and a soul, someone that truly cares about people. She was right! To this day I’m so thankful I chose this particular doctor. After my device implant of course I had to take pain medication. The one time I saw him before this happened to me I was terrified to even mention pain medication and that was when it was abundant. I had to see him for I needed a refill because where they implanted the device it still was in excruciating pain. While there I mustered the courage to ask him if there was any way I could continue taking this medicine, that I could literally walk in the mornings and have some normalcy with daily activities. When he said yes I thought I would faint. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing! My physician said, “The man that was in here before you needed pain medicine about like I do. You though are a different story. One day I hope that my own physician treats me the way I have my own patients.” He was literally an answer to prayer. I don’t know how many people I had praying and how many people they had praying and how many of their churches were praying though it seemed like everyone I knew was praying. I even asked complete strangers. This was after several years of going from one orthopedic surgeon to a pain clinic, Etc. Ever time hearing no pain no gain, leaving the buildings with tears streaming down my face dreading the ride home because I hurt so bad I didn’t know if I could drive or not. I’m a very caring person some say too caring but when it came to doctors not so much. Quite the opposite, I couldn’t stand them. If I had not have met Dr. D, I shudder to think what would have happened to me.

billy Andrews

My empathy,Liza.I have been blessed with a P.C. who does understand,is working on our side,
but whose hands are tied by the intrusive government.Keep the Faith;they ARE out there.
Love and Light, Billy